business security system
 

I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a retail
operation. Currently there is an alarm system and some cameras, and a switching
video display.
I would like to have about 8 cameras, and some rding of the video. Also,
audio rding in some of the camera locations is desirable. If possible, some
nighttime rding could be done also. The store is open 16 hours, 7 days a
week.
As far as alarm companies, what should I look for?
I would like to know where I can buy such equipment, hopefully inexpensively.
Also, what would be the addtional cost of using this security system? What
other equipment would be mmended?
Also, any legal requirements about rding video? Would I have to put up any
signs that say that video rding is being done?

Do not post that video urveillance is taking place.
Some outside agency may get an order to take it and involve you in
a lawsuit that otherwise would not. It also lets  criminals know they are on
tape
so they know to look for it and take the evidence, use two rders placed
in different parts of the store just incase.
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/
Has a lot of inexpensive equipment to build your system with.
timelord2...@hotmail.com
- -> I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a
retail
> operation. Currently there is an alarm system and some cameras, and a
switching
> video display.
> I would like to have about 8 cameras, and some rding of the video.
Also,
> audio rding in some of the camera locations is desirable. If possible,
some
> nighttime rding could be done also. The store is open 16 hours, 7 days
a
> week.
> As far as alarm companies, what should I look for?
> I would like to know where I can buy such equipment, hopefully
inexpensively.
> Also, what would be the addtional cost of using this security system? What
> other equipment would be mmended?
> Also, any legal requirements about rding video? Would I have to put up
any
> signs that say that video rding is being done?


Mysterion   Jan 19 2004, 12:43 pm     Newsgroups: misc.survivalism "Mysterion" <myster...@supernospamnet.com> - Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:43:17 GMT Local: Mon,Jan 19 2004 12:43 pm Subject: Re: business security system Reply to Author Forward Print misc.survivalism148b638c22f3b612" Individual Message Show original --
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> I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a
retail
> operation. Currently there is an alarm system and some cameras, and a
switching
> video display.

Use your favorite search engine and spend some time surfing.
The money you save will make it worth the time.

Oframe45   Jan 19 2004, 4:36 pm     Newsgroups: misc.survivalism ofram...@aol.com (Oframe45) - 20 Jan 2004 00:36:38 GMT Local: Mon,Jan 19 2004 4:36 pm Subject: Re: business security system Reply to Author Forward Print misc.survivalism343e9a73896850f3" Individual Message Show original Check refferances to see if the work is being sub-ed out or it the person
installing will be the one answering flase alarms
Consult a local attorney to find the particulares for your area on signage and
rding.

The Orchardist   Jan 20 2004, 1:20 am     Newsgroups: misc.survivalism The Orchardist <The_Orchard...@hotmail.com> - Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:53:39 -0800 Local: Tues,Jan 20 2004 12:53 am Subject: Re: business security system Reply to Author Forward Print misc.survivalism8bb1cb7c55805ea7" Individual Message Show original On 19 Jan 2004 19:09:37 GMT, lumush...@aol.com (Lumushahs) wrote:
>I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a retail
>operation.

alt.alarm.dealers
google.com

Perry Noid   Jan 20 2004, 2:30 am     Newsgroups: misc.survivalism nob...@nowheres.com (Perry Noid) - Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:21:02 GMT Local: Tues,Jan 20 2004 2:21 am Subject: Re: business security system Reply to Author Forward Print misc.survivalism1f9079fdfa7610f1" Individual Message Show original Lumushahs <lumush...@aol.com> wrote:
> I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a
> retail operation. Currently there is an alarm system and some cameras, and
> a switching video display.

There are Mitsubishi VCRs that are really sweet, good picture quality,
super fast rewind, just $80 each. Would you rather have several of these
with 8 hour tapes or really one really expensive time lapse thing trying
to do the job of them all?
Bulk tape eraser improves re-rding quality, $15:
<http://www.sciplus.com/singleI tem.cfm?terms=9432&cartLogFrom =Search>
> I would like to have about 8 cameras, and some rding of the video.
> Also, audio rding in some of the camera locations is desirable. If
> possible, some nighttime rding could be done also. The store is open
> 16 hours, 7 days a week.
> As far as alarm companies, what should I look for?
> I would like to know where I can buy such equipment, hopefully inexpensively.
> Also, what would be the addtional cost of using this security system? What
> other equipment would be mmended?

among others....
http://www.smarthome.com
> Also, any legal requirements about rding video? Would I have to put up any
> signs that say that video rding is being done?

It depends on the laws in your state. You can probably find out simply
calling a police detective. A trial lawer could tell you. If you're
talking hidden cameras I'd try to ask someone at least 40 miles away
from your town so those you are trying to catch don't find out and trick
some innocent into suspicious behavior in front of it :o/ this does
happen. That hidden camera thing, you need to do it =completely= on your
own (don't even tell your wife) or else you won't catch those you really
need to catch :o/ there aren't very many people who are both honest and
can keep secrets. With each person who knows the difficulty of catching
the slick ones goes up by a factor of TEN :oP
You know in general HALF of all business theft is committed by
employees. You need to install your hidden cameras when the store is
closed. Be =VERY= suspicious of the employee who shows up at that sort
of time wondering what is going on. You know a good indicator that a
customer is a shoplifter is when he keeps an eye on the store's staff
instead of the merchandise; Likewise, employees who keep an eye on the
boss instead of their work are probably up to something! :o/ someone who
asks too many questions about things they don't need to know that is
none of their business is usually up to no good. There's a lot of
secrets and strategy involved in security. It's really hard to catch the
ones you really need to catch :o/
Keep your old antiquated time lapse equipment up front and running, but
have your better, real time rding equipment secret and concealed :o)
Then when it was one of your employees who stole the evidence he can't
say, "oh, i forgot to put in a tape" (or try to blame a coworker). Have
a real good view of the cash register to catch the employee, like the
one who sells a case of beer to their friend for $1 :o) when replacing a
VCR rotate so the brand new one and new tapes go into the most important
position :o)
Remember HALF of all theft from business is from employees!

Bob G   Jan 20 2004, 4:29 am     Newsgroups: misc.survivalism Bob G <Osiy...@yahoo.com> - Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:33:19 -0600 Local: Tues,Jan 20 2004 4:33 am Subject: Re: business security system Reply to Author Forward Print misc.survivalisme0aa63cfe5278ded" Individual Message Show original - -On 19 Jan 2004 19:09:37 GMT, lumush...@aol.com (Lumushahs) wrote:
>I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a retail
>operation. Currently there is an alarm system and some cameras, and a switching
>video display.
>I would like to have about 8 cameras, and some rding of the video. Also,
>audio rding in some of the camera locations is desirable. If possible, some
>nighttime rding could be done also. The store is open 16 hours, 7 days a
>week.
>As far as alarm companies, what should I look for?
>I would like to know where I can buy such equipment, hopefully inexpensively.
>Also, what would be the addtional cost of using this security system? What
>other equipment would be mmended?
>Also, any legal requirements about rding video? Would I have to put up any
>signs that say that video rding is being done?

Well, there is no way for me to answer your questions in any detail
via Usenet.  As:
1) It'd be even more typing that I'm willing to do.  Even granting
that I'm a fast typist.
2) I'm lacking too much information about your particulars.  Wants,
needs, expectations, store layout, and so forth.
That said ... some thoughts.
First off you really need to decide upon some particular as concerns
what you want, and what you expect it to do.
That's #1 ... do not past go ... do not continue ... until you've
resolved that issue.  Make a list of what you'd actually like your
system to accomplish.  Stick said list in your pocket and keep it
there for reference.
Next step is to do a little preliminary research.
Your post is so vague I feel safe in assuming that you probably have
very little knowledge of the very wide range in capabilities between
low end equipment and high end equipment.
For low end stuff, you can pretty much just wander over to Radio Shack
and look on the shelf or in their catalog, read the descriptions of
the various items.  Pay attention to the details of what the stuff can
do.
It makes for a nice starting point for the novice.  I'd omend
doing this.  Radio Shack normally carries all the basics.  It's the
low end, cheap stuff.  Which may or may not suit your purpose.  But
remember, you're not buying yet.  Just shopping for info.
First step is to educate yourself.  Thus the trip to Radio Shack.
Pick up the pamphlets and fliers on their security cameras, alarm
controllers, diallers, intrusion sensors, and so forth.  And maybe
spring for the few bucks it takes and buy one of their books on home
security systems while you're at it.
Yes, you're planning a business system, not a home system, but that
book should familiarize you with basics concepts, the terminology and
so forth.
Start with that.  Learn the basics first.  You won't regret it.
One can buy the stuff and put in a functional security system on the
cheap.  
Minimal capability cameras cost $100 or less.  A VHS VCR can be had
for less than $100. RG6 cable is not expensive.  But there are
variations in this sort of cable, and good reasons for it.  If doing
the task youself, you need to buy a couple basic tools to attach
fittings properly.  Yep, yah could do it with just a knife and pliers.
But you did want the system, even if a cheap system, to work corly
... right?  Every connection made which is not made properly, is a
source of loss as concerns video quality.
If you ignore everything else I say, don't ignore this ... if doing it
yourself, do not scrimp on the money to buy second rate video cable.
Do do scrimp on the money to buy the cheapest connector fittings you
can find.  Do not scrimp on the money by not buying the proper
crimper, etc.  RTFM, do not damage the cable or abuse it when
installing, and make up the end connections properly, by the book.
This is one area of the job that you do NOT want to scrimp on.  And is
the source of more problems with video systems than most anything
else.
Try to save $50 by buying cheaper wire, cheaper fittings, not getting
a proper crimper, etc is foolhardy.  Take it from somebody who makes a
living at this sort of thing.
Cameras.  A Plain Jane camera might suit your purpose.  And can be had
for cheap.
A few cameras, even if not good ones, and a nice sign saying your
establishment is under video surveillance can reduce problems.  A
certain amount.  This may be all you want.  Or perhaps all you can
afford.  Personally, I'd figure it to be better than nothing.
But cheap cameras also have low resolution.  Meaning it's hard to
actually see the bad guy in detail.  i.e. Exactly what is he or she
doing.  Such cameras often do not come even close to providing enough
facial details to identify the perp.  
A better, commercial/industrial grade camera can produce a picture
which is like a night and day difference in resolution.  Be in color,
which is helpful, have a greater refresh/scan rate, etc.  This is
helpful if perp is moving and one wants to freeze frame the pic in
order to take a real good look at the perp later.  For identification
purposes.
A wasted dollar to buy the better cameras, however if you connect them
with cheap coax.  Or rd on a cheap rder.
Other features on better cameras include weatherproofing, voltage
spiking and surge protection.  Is the casing hardened or protective
cover provided to make it resistant to damage.  Can it be remotely
moved and aimed, zoomed in or out, etc.  And a key element, how does
it handle varied lighting levels.  A good security camera these days
can surprise folks at how well it can see into shadows and in low
lighting conditions.
Next.  Get a cheap camera, and besides running the video cable, yah
need to get operating power to it somehow.  May need to wire it into a
local 120 volt power source.  Which may be difficult, and pricey.  And
alternative is that some commercial/industrial cameras (not those
found at Radio Shack) are low voltage devices.  Meaning you don't have
to run power wires thru conduit, requirements for pulling and hanging
are more lax (thus faster and cheaper to do), safer, etc.  Some are
even powered by the very same cables which control their movement.
All are things to consider.
Next, yah got cameras up, now, what to do with the picture.
Just want to see picture?  Have employee, when not busy, be able to
see what a customer is doing back there around the corner?  Then all
you need is a decent monitor.
But you can get a setup which multiplexes the incoming signals from
all cameras, alternates display on screen.  Or, at the touch of a
control puts a separate window on the screen in a corner with what one
camera is seeing being constantly shown, while rest of screen
alternates between the rest of the cameras.  Or, another simple click
of a control, and all 8 of the scenes from all 8 cameras is shown
continuously in it's own window.  Or any arrangement in between which
you desire.  Easy accomplished with a simple menu.  One might have a
little joystick, place crosshairs on a suspect, click, and camera
zooms, switches to a higher rez and takes a still photo of high
quality.  Or, click, and whole system controlled by a central
controller manipulates all cameras to automatically follow and track
that person.
A top end digital rder could rd all views of all cameras
simultaneously, in high quality.  Better than any VHS machine.  Time
and date stamping every frame.  And could rd that data from all 8
cameras, in high resolution, for a week 24/7 without needing
attention.  At that time, if you'd like to archive the pictures, easy
menu selection lets you write to a rdable DVD disk. (or several if
that you want to archive everything.)
More, that rder will encrypt the rded video with a special
encryption which is acceptable to any court in the country to verify
that the pictures were taken at the times indicated on the time and
date stamps, and that the video has not been, could not be altered or
manipulated.  This is important for legal reason.  Judges like it when
they can rely on evidence and that there is proof it has not been
tampered with.  And when the video quality is high, juries look at
monitor in court room, turn to look at the accused ... and they have
no doubts as to whether or not this is the same person.  The GOOD
stuff, takes a whole lot better picture than what most folks are
familiar with getting from the cheap stuff.
With the good stuff, from experience, I'll tell you that the VAST
majority of times, when the perp is shown video of self doing the
deed, they just plead guilty, no contest.
That's some of the ideas behind the high end stuff.
But you may not need that.  Only you can decide.
But start with educating self about the basics.  Then go from there.
Bob

Bob Peterson   Jan 20 2004, 4:41 am     Newsgroups: misc.survivalism "Bob Peterson" <peterso...@insightbb.com> - Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:41:48 -0600 Local: Tues,Jan 20 2004 4:41 am Subject: Re: business security system Reply to Author Forward Print misc.survivalism6ede0a9f649ea26f" Individual Message Show original sam's club has all the equipment you will need, and probably for under
$1000.
- -"Lumushahs" <lumush...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I would like to know about where I can obtain a security equipment for a
retail
> operation. Currently there is an alarm system and some cameras, and a
switching
> video display.
> I would like to have about 8 cameras, and some rding of the video.
Also,
> audio rding in some of the camera locations is desirable. If possible,
some
> nighttime rding could be done also. The store is open 16 hours, 7 days
a
> week.
> As far as alarm companies, what should I look for?
> I would like to know where I can buy such equipment, hopefully
inexpensively.
> Also, what would be the addtional cost of using this security system? What
> other equipment would be mmended?
> Also, any legal requirements about rding video? Would I have to put up
any
> signs that say that video rding is being done?

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