Tips against home burglary
 

Last fall I came home from work and found my home broken into.  I live
in a remote location with my nearest neighbor almost a mile away.
They entered through my rear garage metal door by crow-barring through
the knob and dead bolt locks.  They then kicked-in my solid oak door
from the garage into the house (it was unlocked!).  They stole very
large TV's, computer, jewelry, stereos, camera equip, you name it they
got it!  Here is a few tips from personal experience.
Hide valuables and weapons in unlikely locations.  They looked under
my bed mattress and went through my bedroom chester drawers apparently
looking for my weapons.  I feel that if I even had a vault that they
would have simply loaded it up on their truck or van.   I have since
built a false wall to the rear of a cabinet to house valuables (they
did not bother bathroom cabinets and only about half in the kitchen).
With a little inginuity, you can still get quick access to this hidden
location.
Don't keep weapons or valuables in a locked brief case or fire box.
This is a good strategy if you are in a fire (grab and take), but
unfortunately this was a big mistake of mine!  They took a locked
samsonite case that had my house deed, birth certificate, SS card,
financial info,  favorite pictures, etc....
My last tip is to install a home security system.  With buried power
and phone lines, nobody will break into my home without the dialer
calling the sheriffs department and my work.  Security cameras
(whether real or the fake ones) also do a good job to let punks know
that you are serious about protecting your home.
Regards, Super J

I have one to add.  A 100 lb Rottweiler or German Shepard etc is a great
disincentive!!!!

Arne Carlsten   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns Arne Carlsten <a...@primenet.com> - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns949d8f74bcd54980" Individual Message Show original Super J <c...@iquest.net> wrote:

:
Last fall I came home from work and found my home broken into.  I live
: in a remote location with my nearest neighbor almost a mile away.
: They entered through my rear garage metal door by crow-barring through
: the knob and dead bolt locks.  They then kicked-in my solid oak door
: from the garage into the house (it was unlocked!).  They stole very
: large TV's, computer, jewelry, stereos, camera equip, you name it they
: got it!  Here is a few tips from personal experience.
: Hide valuables and weapons in unlikely locations.  They looked under
: my bed mattress and went through my bedroom chester drawers apparently
: looking for my weapons.  I feel that if I even had a vault that they
: would have simply loaded it up on their truck or van.   I have since
: built a false wall to the rear of a cabinet to house valuables (they
: did not bother bathroom cabinets and only about half in the kitchen).
: With a little inginuity, you can still get quick access to this hidden
: location

.
Consider hiding the weapons in a partially disassembled condition.  At the
very least, it'll take them longer (and increase their chances of being
discovered) to find the stock and bolt for the rifle or such.  And it'll
reduce the chances of them getting their hands on an operable weapon they
can use against you if you arrive home while they're in mid-burglary.
I'd still mmend a safe.  Bolt it down, build it into a wall, alarm it,
use an OC booby-trap...  Make it as difficult and frustrating for the
burglars as possible.  Make the bastards _work_ for their money.
:
Don't keep weapons or valuables in a locked brief case or fire box.
: This is a good strategy if you are in a fire (grab and take), but
: unfortunately this was a big mistake of mine!  They took a locked
: samsonite case that had my house deed, birth certificate, SS card,
: financial info,  favorite pictures, etc....
: My last tip is to install a home security system.  With buried power
: and phone lines, nobody will break into my home without the dialer
: calling the sheriffs department and my work.  Security cameras
: (whether real or the fake ones) also do a good job to let punks know
: that you are serious about protecting your home

.
Just as long as the phone lines are secure.  If you're in a remote enough
area, they might just take an axe to the line where it comes down off the
pole and into the conduiting to the house.
Using a cellular link for your alarm(s) (don't forget a fire alarm system)
might be an option, if your home is within range of a cell.
--
Arne Gustav Carlsten
Flagstaff, Arizona
Chomh da/na le muc...

Cocp   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns c...@aol.com (Cocp) - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns8b42183fce6b3aa5" Individual Message Show original Too bad about the break in. A friend of mine having the asme problem got a
guard dog known as a Fila Brasileiro dog.  Very aggressive and not easilly
disuaded from attacking intruders.
    Mike

Vvmfuno   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns vvmf...@aol.com (Vvmfuno) - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunsfa30559cf81481ee" Individual Message Show original excellent post...! burgulars strike when you are gone and love to steal guns
and any containers which may hold cash
#>  
They took a locked samsonite case that had my house deed, birth
certificate, SS

 car financial info,  favorite pictures, etc....

Nick Hull   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns n...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull) - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns2501a3c4f0b57149" Individual Message Show original <6f9v1a$...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, c...@iquest.net (Super J) wrote:
# Last fall I came home from work and found my home broken
 into.  I live
# in a remote location with my nearest neighbor almost a mile away.
# They entered through my rear garage metal door by crow-barring through
# the knob and dead bolt locks.  They then kicked-in my solid oak door

#.......
You need to actively fight back; try visiting www.stopsburglars.com for a
way to drive burglars out while you are away (tear gas & pepper spray).
--
Free men own guns - slaves don't  
Committees of Correspondence web page:
<http://www.geocities.com/Capit olHill/5357/>
   n...@mindspring.com

Jeff Jones   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns Followup-To: poster Jeff Jones <jjon...@mail.sandi.net> - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunse91e5b71dc298a69" Individual Message Show original Arne Carlsten wrote:

#
I'd still mmend a safe.  Bolt it down, build it into a wall, alarm it,
# use an OC booby-trap...  Make it as difficult and frustrating for the
# burglars as possible.  Make the bastards _work_ for their money

.
What's an "OC booby-trap"?

Todd Yukutake   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns Todd Yukutake <z...@pixi.net> - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns08bea9f6e4558a92" Individual Message Show original Sounds like a good idea to hide stuff in the bathroom cabinet.  I think
I'll try that.
#
Hide valuables and weapons in unlikely locations.  They looked under
# my bed mattress and went through my bedroom chester drawers apparently
# looking for my weapons.  I feel that if I even had a vault that they
# would have simply loaded it up on their truck or van.   I have since
# built a false wall to the rear of a cabinet to house valuables (they
# did not bother bathroom cabinets and only about half in the kitchen).
# With a little inginuity, you can still get quick access to this hidden
# location

.
#

Heath   Mar 26 1998, 12:00 am     guns sigm...@globaleyes.net (Heath) - 1998/03/26 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunsbd062e845c068899" Individual Message Show original As i have both...i totally agree.
<6fdmg9$...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, bncr...@aol.com says...
#
#
I have one to add.  A 100 lb Rottweiler or German Shepard etc is a great
#disincentive

!!!!
#

Umnarj Paeratakul   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns Umnarj Paeratakul <umn...@mozart.inet.co.th> - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunsb88de891c6dba6b2" Individual Message Show original Arne Carlsten wrote:

#
#
Super J <c...@iquest.net> wrote:
# : Last fall I came home from work and found my home broken
 into.  I live
# : in a remote location with my nearest neighbor almost a mile away.
# : They entered through my rear garage metal door

 ....snip....
How about DOGS? If you don't mind cleaning up, giving them bath,
vet bills etc...
I would say that dogs are the best home protection equipment
(and the most ancient one too).

Me   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns Me <cole...@ntplx.net> - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns2e2928d1106d344e" Individual Message Show original Most burglars check the medicine cabinet for prescription drugs. It's not
a safe place.
Cole...@ntplx.net
On 26 Mar 1998, Todd Yukutake wrote:
#
Sounds like a good idea to hide stuff in the bathroom cabinet.  I think
# I'll try that

.
#

Me   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns Me <cole...@ntplx.net> - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns5571f415399b020b" Individual Message Show original As Arne pointed out, phone lines can be cut, and cellular linkage to the
monitoring staion solves that problem.
If you are not in a cell, you can use a radio link. It sends a signal
every few seconds. Even if someone finds your antenna and cuts it, the
monitoring station will go into alarm state if it detects th stream of
signals has stopped. These hookups are much better than telephone links,
and don't cost a whole lot--considering what you have to lose.
-Frank Coleman
Cole...@ntplx.net
On 26 Mar 1998, Arne Carlsten wrote:
 Major snippage>
# :
My last tip is to install a home security system.  With buried power
# : and phone lines, nobody will break into my home without the dialer
# : calling the sheriffs department and my work.  Security cameras
# : (whether real or the fake ones) also do a good job to let punks know
# : that you are serious about protecting your home
.
# Just as long as the phone lines are secure.  If you're in a remote enough
# area, they might just take an axe to the line where it comes down off the
# pole and into the conduiting to the house.
#
# Using a cellular link for your alarm(s) (don't forget a fire alarm system)
# might be an option, if your home is within range of a cell

.
Snippage>

Me   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns Me <cole...@ntplx.net> - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns130913d4ff145763" Individual Message Show original As much as dog lovers don't want to hear this, dogs won't keep a burglar
who is targeting your gun collection away. Random break-ins by kids on a
dare, maybe.
A bottle of Valiums or sleeping pills (stolen from their last job) in a
ball of hamburger can be tossed in your yard. An hour later Fido is asleep
or dead, and they clean you out. This a false sense of security!
There is no substitute for a good safe and a monitored security system.
A couple of cans of Burglar-Mist or similar product is very
cost-effective.
You don't know how violated you will feel until you get robbed.
-Frank
Cole...@ntplx.net
On 26 Mar 1998, Cocp wrote:
#
Too bad about the break in. A friend of mine having the asme problem got a
# guard dog known as a Fila Brasileiro dog.  Very aggressive and not easilly
# disuaded from attacking intruders.
#                                                                          
#     Mike

#
#                        
#
#
#
#

Radem   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns Radem <D...@IX.NETCOM.COM> - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns650e46828bb37e9c" Individual Message Show original How bout a large Wolfhound? My pup's harmless but you'd have to be pretty
stupid to try and find out :)
As far as other anti-burglary devices, I installed 200 ft of 6-foot chain
link fencing when I bought my house (gates are locked and my truck is inside
it at night), two deadbolts on every door, extra window locks, and a
monitored alarm system. I also planted thorny bushes under each window I
thought might be vulnerable...whatever will make the dirtbags decide to move
on and find an easier target.
                                                                        Radem
Heath wrote:

#
As i have both...i totally agree.
#
# <6fdmg9$...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, bncr...@aol.com says...
# #
# #I have one to add.  A 100 lb Rottweiler or German Shepard
 etc is a great
# #disincentive

!!!!
# #

Bryan Harrington   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns Bryan Harrington <bharring...@neoam.cc.ok.us> - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunsa41721071221d4c7" Individual Message Show original Heath wrote:
#
# As i have both...i totally agree.
#
# <6fdmg9$...@xring.cs
.umd.edu>, bncr...@aol.com says...
# #
# #I have one to add.  A 100 lb Rottweiler or German Shepard
 etc is a great
# #disincentive

!!!!
# #
-- Large-ish Pit Bulls work pretty well to.
Bryan Harrington
bharring...@neoam.cc.ok.us
Loaded like a freight train,      Opinions expressed are those of the
Flyin' like an aeroplane,         author, not any sane person or his
Feelin' like a space brain...     employer.
Guns N' Roses

Skopje179   Mar 27 1998, 12:00 am     guns skopje...@aol.com (Skopje179) - 1998/03/27 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns17429e83eb3d6bf8" Individual Message Show original <6fdrjo$...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Arne Carlsten <a...@primenet.com>
writes:
#
Consider hiding the weapons in a partially disassembled condition.  At the
#very least, it'll take them longer (and increase their chances of being
#discovered) to find the stock and bolt for the rifle or such.  And it'll
#reduce the chances of them getting their hands on an operable weapon they
#can use against you if you arrive home while they're in mid-burglary.
#
#I'd still mmend a safe.  Bolt it down, build it into a wall, alarm it,
#use an OC booby-trap...  Make it as difficult and frustrating for the
#burglars as possible.  Make the bastards _work_ for their money

.
#
#
#
Since I'm also a skeet shooter and reload shotshells, I keep about 10 bags of
shot stacked in the bottom back corners of the safe.  If they could get it
dislodged from the wall, they now have to move approx 1,200 lbs up a flight of
stairs.  This forces them to break into the safe on site, which is time
consuming if they didn't come prepared to do that.  Any delay, increases their
chance of being seen and/or caught on site.
Skopje

lefty   Mar 28 1998, 12:00 am     guns lefty <l...@usa.com> - 1998/03/28 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns9478036fe51c799b" Individual Message Show original I agree with the dogs. I have two [ both labs ] and nobody gets past them,
they even protect my neighbors house. but they must be trained to run free to
be effective, this takes time but is well worth it. also you'll need a meter
the elec. co. doesn't need to come out and read
- -Umnarj Paeratakul wrote:
# Arne Carlsten wrote:
# #
# # Super J <c...@iquest.net> wrote:
# # : Last fall I came home from
 work and found my home broken
 into.  I live
# # : in a remote location with my nearest neighbor almost a mile away.
# # : They entered through my rear garage metal door
 ....snip....
#
# How about DOGS? If you don't mind cleaning up, giving them bath,
# vet bills etc...
#
# I would say that dogs are the best home protection equipment
# (and the most ancient one too

).

rcmodel   Mar 28 1998, 12:00 am     guns rcmo...@idir.net - 1998/03/28 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print guns20587a1814b3e0d1" Individual Message Show original On 26 Mar 1998 16:07:31 -0500, Jeff Jones <jjon...@mail.sandi.net>
wrote:
#Arne Carlsten wrote:
## I'd still mmend a safe.  Bolt it down, build it into a
 wall, alarm it,
## use an OC booby-trap...  Make it as difficult and frustrating for the
## burglars as possible.  Make the bastards _work_ for their money
.
#
#What's an "OC booby-trap

"?
#
OC? That would be a tear-gas bomb or spray that hoses down the first
person (including the owner, his significant other, and / or anyone
else) who forgets its there and is stupid enough to open the safe.
BAD IDEA, in my openion, unless you spend a lot of time around your
safe with your family, and continue to do bobby-trap training all the
time!
 I tried to give that up in 1970-71-75-80, and then again in --
NEVERMIND!!  DAMN!
:)
rc

Jim Johnson   Mar 29 1998, 12:00 am     guns Jim Johnson <sciotot...@zoomnet.net> - 1998/03/29 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunsecf2a88cda9a52ff" Individual Message Show original You might also want to check into a celluar phone dialer for your alarm.
Even if the bad guys get your telephone lines, the alarm will be able to
dial out.
Jim
- -Super J wrote:
# Last fall I came home from work and found my home
 broken
 into.  I live
# in a remote location with my nearest neighbor almost a mile away.
# They entered through my rear garage metal door by crow-barring through
# the knob and dead bolt locks.  They then kicked-in my solid oak door
# from the garage into the house (it was unlocked!).  They stole very
# large TV's, computer, jewelry, stereos, camera equip, you name it they
# got it!  Here is a few tips from personal experience.
#
# Hide valuables and weapons in unlikely locations.  They looked under
# my bed mattress and went through my bedroom chester drawers apparently
# looking for my weapons.  I feel that if I even had a vault that they
# would have simply loaded it up on their truck or van.   I have since
# built a false wall to the rear of a cabinet to house valuables (they
# did not bother bathroom cabinets and only about half in the kitchen).
# With a little inginuity, you can still get quick access to this hidden
# location.
#
# Don't keep weapons or valuables in a locked brief case or fire box.
# This is a good strategy if you are in a fire (grab and take), but
# unfortunately this was a big mistake of mine!  They took a locked
# samsonite case that had my house deed, birth certificate, SS card,
# financial info,  favorite pictures, etc....
#
# My last tip is to install a home security system.  With buried power
# and phone lines, nobody will break into my home without the dialer
# calling the sheriffs department and my work.  Security cameras
# (whether real or the fake ones) also do a good job to let punks know
# that you are serious about protecting your home.
#
# Regards, Super J


Arne Carlsten   Mar 29 1998, 12:00 am     guns Arne Carlsten <a...@primenet.com> - 1998/03/29 Subject: Re: Tips against home burglary Reply to Author Forward Print gunsfd89aff6ce15ea50" Individual Message Show original Skopje179 <skopje...@aol.com> wrote:

:
- - <6fdrjo$...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Arne Carlsten <a...@primenet.com>
: writes:
: #Consider hiding the weapons in a partially disassembled condition.  At the
: #very
 least, it'll take them longer (and increase their chances of being
: #discovered) to find the stock and bolt for the rifle or such.  And it'll
: #reduce the chances of them getting their hands on an operable weapon they
: #can use against you if you arrive home while they're in mid-burglary.
: #
: #I'd still mmend a safe.  Bolt it down, build it into a wall, alarm it,
: #use an OC booby-trap...  Make it as difficult and frustrating for the
: #burglars as possible.  Make the bastards _work_ for their money
.
: #
: #
: #
: Since I'm also a skeet shooter and reload shotshells, I keep about 10 bags of
: shot stacked in the bottom back corners of the safe.  If they could get it
: dislodged from the wall, they now have to move approx 1,200 lbs up a flight of
: stairs.  This forces them to break into the safe on site, which is time
: consuming if they didn't come prepared to do that.  Any delay, increases their
: chance of being seen and/or caught on site

.
Exactly.  If you're _really_ out in the middle of nowhere, and absent from
the house for long periods of time, burglars might be able to spend a lot
of time opening a safe and/or could use noisier methods of cracking it
open.  But in most cases, burglars are going to try to get in and out as
quickly as possible.  If they can take the safe with them they will; then
they can open it at their convenience.  I'd never put a safe in a garage
for that reason, unless it was _very_ securely fastened down (maybe even
built into place with reinforced concrete around it).
--
Arne Gustav Carlsten
Flagstaff, Arizona
Chomh da/na le muc...
 

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