Security camera management software
 

A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
I've looked around and have found two promising projects: "motion" and
"zoneminder".  Motion is currently packaged for Debian but zoneminder is
not.  Has anyone tried either of these, and if so, can you share your
experiences?  Or, are there any other projects out there I've
overlooked?
Unfortunately, I don't have any v4l devices right now, so I'm not really
able to test out either of these myself.
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Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
> A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
> Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
> cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.

Seriously?  Or is this a toy project?  Having used security cameras as
part of my job, I can safely say that every digital camera system blows
balls.  If you want usable footage, go analog for this project.  Whoever
has to look at the footage for some minute detail will thank you for it.
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Paul Gear   Aug 2 2004, 12:50 am     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Paul Gear <p...@gear.dyndns.org> - Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:50:05 +0200 Local: Mon,Aug 2 2004 12:50 am Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.usera2c7b9524ec7854c" Individual Message Show original Paul Johnson wrote:
> Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
>>A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
>>Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
>>cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> Seriously?  Or is this a toy project?  Having used security cameras as
> part of my job, I can safely say that every digital camera system blows
> balls.  If you want usable footage, go analog for this project.  Whoever
> has to look at the footage for some minute detail will thank you for it.

We looked into both at work, and found that non-digital systems are far
more expensive for what you get (at least in .au).  Brian might be going
for basic movement & stuff at a low price and might not want minute detail.
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Robert L. Harris   Aug 2 2004, 5:10 am     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Har...@rdlg.net> - Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:10:06 +0200 Local: Mon,Aug 2 2004 5:10 am Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.usera9776912df5017fc" Individual Message Show original I use Motion on two of my cameras at home.  I don't use the Debian
version as I needed a fix for them that was in a newer version.  It runs
great, it's stable and uses very little cpu.
Thus spake Brian Nelson (p...@debian.org):
- -> A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
> Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
> cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> I've looked around and have found two promising projects: "motion" and
> "zoneminder".  Motion is currently packaged for Debian but zoneminder is
> not.  Has anyone tried either of these, and if so, can you share your
> experiences?  Or, are there any other projects out there I've
> overlooked?
> Unfortunately, I don't have any v4l devices right now, so I'm not really
> able to test out either of these myself.
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> A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
> Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
> cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> I've looked around and have found two promising projects: "motion" and
> "zoneminder".  Motion is currently packaged for Debian but zoneminder is
> not.  Has anyone tried either of these, and if so, can you share your
> experiences?  Or, are there any other projects out there I've
> overlooked?
> Unfortunately, I don't have any v4l devices right now, so I'm not really
> able to test out either of these myself.
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Brian Nelson   Aug 2 2004, 1:00 pm     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> - Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:00:09 +0200 Local: Mon,Aug 2 2004 1:00 pm Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.use3348b413e5974" Individual Message Show original Paul Johnson <b...@ursine.ca> writes:
> Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
>> A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
>> Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
>> cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> Seriously?  Or is this a toy project?  

It's for a home business of sorts (a 24-hour car wash located on their
property but not visible from the house).  So yeah, it's serious, but
not something he wants to dump a ton of money into.
> Having used security cameras as part of my job, I can safely say that
> every digital camera system blows balls.  If you want usable footage,
> go analog for this project.  Whoever has to look at the footage for
> some minute detail will thank you for it.

What about using analog cameras through a capture card?  Would that be
good enough quality?
Also, what kind of minute detail are you talking about?  I'm sure he'd
like to be able to gnize faces, but I'm not sure he'd need more
detail than that.
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Jeff Noxon   Aug 2 2004, 2:20 pm     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Jeff Noxon <j...@planetfall.com> - Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:20:12 +0200 Local: Mon,Aug 2 2004 2:20 pm Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.user79181ad08eafe757" Individual Message Show original Have a look at Zoneminder (http://www.zoneminder.com/), a very nice
surveillance app for Linux.  Linux Media Labs makes 4 & 8-port analog
capture cards that work with this app.
- -On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 11:01:40AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Paul Johnson <b...@ursine.ca> writes:
> > Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
> >> A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
> >> Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
> >> cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> > Seriously?  Or is this a toy project?  
> It's for a home business of sorts (a 24-hour car wash located on their
> property but not visible from the house).  So yeah, it's serious, but
> not something he wants to dump a ton of money into.
> > Having used security cameras as part of my job, I can safely say that
> > every digital camera system blows balls.  If you want usable footage,
> > go analog for this project.  Whoever has to look at the footage for
> > some minute detail will thank you for it.
> What about using analog cameras through a capture card?  Would that be
> good enough quality?
> Also, what kind of minute detail are you talking about?  I'm sure he'd
> like to be able to gnize faces, but I'm not sure he'd need more
> detail than that.

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Paul Johnson   Aug 2 2004, 2:30 pm     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Paul Johnson <b...@ursine.ca> - Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:30:14 +0200 Local: Mon,Aug 2 2004 2:30 pm Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.user6bfe1110e7756e0a" Individual Message Show original Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
>> Having used security cameras as part of my job, I can safely say that
>> every digital camera system blows balls.  If you want usable footage,
>> go analog for this project.  Whoever has to look at the footage for
>> some minute detail will thank you for it.
> What about using analog cameras through a capture card?  Would that be
> good enough quality?

No.  Needs to be all-analog.  Analog to digital conversion adds an
irreversible pixelation.  At least with an all-analog system, if you see
someone you want to get a better look at, you can go back to your analog
source and digitally zoom in and sharpen it at whatever resolution you
find appropriate instead of whatever the camera system happens to be.
With a digital system, you can't do that at all.  See someone you want
to get a better look at?  Well, too bad, your digital camera has already
given them that wonderful, pixelated-suspect-on-COPS look.
> Also, what kind of minute detail are you talking about?  I'm sure he'd
> like to be able to gnize faces, but I'm not sure he'd need more
> detail than that.

Then the digital answer will cost more and not deliver for this person.
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On Monday 02 August 2004 09:23, Brian Nelson wrote:
> A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
> Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
> cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> I've looked around and have found two promising projects: "motion"
> and "zoneminder".  Motion is currently packaged for Debian but
> zoneminder is not.  Has anyone tried either of these, and if so, can
> you share your experiences?  Or, are there any other projects out
> there I've overlooked?
> Unfortunately, I don't have any v4l devices right now, so I'm not
> really able to test out either of these myself.

I ntly adopted 'motion' and version 3.1.14 hit unstable two days
ago. You should try it out.
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Dana Laude   Aug 2 2004, 9:00 pm     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Dana Laude <kc9...@bresnan.net> - Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:00:07 +0200 Local: Mon,Aug 2 2004 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.user62c66a749bf1c3b5" Individual Message Show original On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 12:32:56AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
> > A friend of mine ntly asked me if any decent software exists for
> > Linux for managing security cameras.  He intends to setup up 6 or 7
> > cameras, and wants to be able to manage them from a MacOS X box.
> Seriously?  Or is this a toy project?  Having used security cameras as
> part of my job, I can safely say that every digital camera system blows
> balls.  If you want usable footage, go analog for this project.  Whoever
> has to look at the footage for some minute detail will thank you for it.

Have a look at http://www.supercircuits.com for cameras. They have
some decent stuff that my buddy and I have bought. I just have my
stuff going to a monitor with a quad and vcr, although the new
dvr's look nice. At work my boss has some type of interface cards
going to his setup, 16 cameras.. but the software is windows only.
Dana
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Pigeon   Aug 7 2004, 3:10 pm     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Pigeon <jah.pig...@ukonline.co.uk> - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:10:04 +0200 Local: Sat,Aug 7 2004 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.user49a28763bb2ab087" Individual Message Show original - -On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 02:25:21PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Brian Nelson <p...@debian.org> writes:
> >> Having used security cameras as part of my job, I can safely say that
> >> every digital camera system blows balls.  If you want usable footage,
> >> go analog for this project.  Whoever has to look at the footage for
> >> some minute detail will thank you for it.
> > What about using analog cameras through a capture card?  Would that be
> > good enough quality?
> No.  Needs to be all-analog.  Analog to digital conversion adds an
> irreversible pixelation.  At least with an all-analog system, if you see
> someone you want to get a better look at, you can go back to your analog
> source and digitally zoom in and sharpen it at whatever resolution you
> find appropriate instead of whatever the camera system happens to be.
> With a digital system, you can't do that at all.  See someone you want
> to get a better look at?  Well, too bad, your digital camera has already
> given them that wonderful, pixelated-suspect-on-COPS look.
> > Also, what kind of minute detail are you talking about?  I'm sure he'd
> > like to be able to gnize faces, but I'm not sure he'd need more
> > detail than that.
> Then the digital answer will cost more and not deliver for this person.

It could be useful to combine the two approaches. You could have an
analogue camera and rding system, and also feed the signal into a
capture card. The motion package would make timestamped movie
rdings whenever anything happened on camera, which you could then
review on the PC without having to mess about with sequential-access
storage devices aka VCRs. If you then needed to see more detail you
could easily find the right spot on the video tape by using the
timestamps.
(BTW even analogue sources are quantised vertically :-) )
I found the woody version of motion didn't always produce a movie when
I thought it should according to the config. I installed version
3.0.6-0.1 which did DWIM.
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matt zagrabelny   Aug 7 2004, 6:50 pm     Newsgroups: linux.debian.user matt zagrabelny <mzagr...@d.umn.edu> - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:50:04 +0200 Local: Sat,Aug 7 2004 6:50 pm Subject: Re: Security camera management software Reply to Author Forward Print linux.debian.user46d1357fad174f81" Individual Message Show original > > No.  Needs to be all-analog.  Analog to digital conversion adds an
> > irreversible pixelation.  At least with an all-analog system, if you see
> > someone you want to get a better look at, you can go back to your analog
> > source and digitally zoom in and sharpen it at whatever resolution you
> > find appropriate instead of whatever the camera system happens to be.
> > With a digital system, you can't do that at all.  See someone you want
> > to get a better look at?  Well, too bad, your digital camera has already
> > given them that wonderful, pixelated-suspect-on-COPS look.

sorry for just jumping on this thread.
regarding video (not still images): there is a certain frames per
second, there is resolution. so i dont think just because it is analog
you can arbitrarily zoom in on a frame (like you could with a photo
taken from a 35mm camera).
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