Home Security Measures?
 

I have a home out in the countryside that was just broken into over the
weekend.  I think it was a teen because they stole my telescope and
beer.  Nothing else was damaged except the door that they broke through.
 The house is at least two miles away from any neighbors and at least 30
minutes + from a police station.  Can you please give me some ideas on
what measures I can take to secure my area probperly?  I have one wooden
door and two sliding glass doors (one now boarded up).  The house has
both electricity and phone serivce, and I am only there on the weekends.
 I have thought of motion sensors and little stickers to go in the
windows, as this is not a professional theaf.  Also I would like some
information on optimal defensive shells for a 3" 12 Gauge and a 9mm. Any
information would be greatly appriciated!
                Thanks,
                Ben
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Ben wrote:

#
I have a home out in the countryside that was >just broken into over the
#weekend.  I think it was a teen because they >stole my telescope and
#beer.  Nothing else was damaged except the >door that they broke
#through.
# The house is at least two miles away from >any neighbors and at least 30
#minutes + from a police station.  Can you >please give me some ideas on
#what measures I can take to secure my area >probperly?  I

#wooden
#door and two sliding glass doors (one now >boarded up).
   Yeah - get rid of the sliding doors; they're impossible to adequately
secure.  If your place is brick, hire a brickmason to brick up those doorways;
if not, get a carpenter to replace those doorways with conventional doors and
doorframes.  (Make sure your place has adequate fire exits.)
   Also, buy a few of those $20 motion-detector floodlights and put them around
your property - preferably high enough that a kid can't reach them easily on
foot.  About 10' off the ground is optimum.
   Then get all your good stuff out of the damn place; a location like that
invites breakins and one of the best things you can do is leave only cheap
stuff there.
#I am only there on the weekends.
   Again, leave only cheap stuff there.
#
Also I would like some
#information on optimal defensive shells for a >3" 12 Gauge and a 9mm

.
   Speer Gold Dot for the 9mm; low-il 00 buck in a 2 3/4 shell for the
shotgun.
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Matthew P Moore   Feb 5 1999, 12:00 am     guns "Matthew P Moore" <mlmo...@halcyon.com> - 1999/02/05 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns11adf78ba83e36ae" Individual Message Show original Benjamin Sullivan wrote in message <79dc6e$jk...@xring.cs.umd.edu >...

#
I have a home out in the countryside that was just broken into over the
#weekend.  I think it was a teen because they stole my telescope and
#beer.  Nothing else was damaged except the door that they broke through.
# The house is at least two miles away from any neighbors and at least 30
#minutes + from a police station.  Can you please give me some ideas on
#what measures I can take to secure my area probperly?  I have one wooden
#door and two sliding glass doors (one now boarded up).  The house has
#both electricity and phone serivce, and I am only there on the weekends.
# I have thought of motion sensors and little stickers to go in the
#windows, as this is not a professional theaf.  Also I would like some
#information on optimal defensive shells for a 3" 12 Gauge and a 9mm. Any
#information would be greatly appriciated

!
#
You definitely want to "target-harden" your house. That means, better
barriers and a good, loud alarm system to give you time to wake up and get
ready if the bad guy(s) come back while you are there. Replace those sliding
glass doors with heavy wooden ones, or cover them with metal grillwork that
you can lock at night. Plus, a monitored, silent alarm system so that there
is some chance of them being caught if they come back when you aren't there.
Talk to a good locksmith / security service in your area, and be prepared to
pay - good defenses aren't cheap. But as you have seen, weak defenses are
even more expensive.
I hope not to get you too paranoid or anything, but I've read and been told
that burglars are very likely to come back for more if they were successful
the first time.
In terms of defensive loads: for the shotgun, 2.75", max dram, 9 pellet 00
buckshot. Buy a few dozen extra rounds and shoot them at typical
self-defense ranges (0-10 yards) to get used to the il and to see what
patterns you can expect. For the pistol, whatever feeds most reliably. High
performance premium hollowpoints are the best *if they feed reliably* -
brands like Federal Personal Defense, Remington Golden Sabre, Winchester
Ranger SXT are very good. Buy 200 extra rounds and fire them for practice -
if you have more than one jam, try another brand. If your pistol only feeds
reliably with FMJ, then FMJ is what you use (at least until you can buy a
better pistol).
Last but not least, pay for an hour of consultation with a good criminal
defense attorney in your area. Ask him to explain the law of self defense to
you *in detail*. Your chances of actually having to defend yourself are much
higher than the average person's, and will continue to be high until the bad
guy(s) have been caught or they have decided to leave you alone. If you do
have to defend yourself, things will go *much* better if you stay within the
law. Ignorance of the law is not a defense.
There is a lot more information at http://www.uns.com/
best wishes;
matt moore
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litnin   Feb 5 1999, 12:00 am     guns "litnin" <lit...@mindspring.com> - 1999/02/05 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns39dd16c1843f5c33" Individual Message Show original for your 9mm rounds, take a look at the Winchester SXT rounds.
If you've heard of the "black talons," these are the black talon rounds
that they don't paint black anymore.  They are hollow points with a standard
metal (copper) jacket.  I compared one to a true black talon and they are
identical
except for the color.  Excellent defensive round.  Also the Remington Golden
Sabre's
are good rounds...
Benjamin Sullivan wrote in message <79dc6e$jk...@xring.cs.umd.edu >...

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Nick Hull   Feb 5 1999, 12:00 am     guns n...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull) - 1999/02/05 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns13dbd4dde3177e3b" Individual Message Show original <79dc6e$jk...@xring.cs.umd.edu >, Benjamin Sullivan
- -<bmsu...@pop.uky.edu> wrote:
# I have a home out in the countryside that was just broken
 into over the
# weekend.  I think it was a teen because they stole my telescope and
# beer.  Nothing else was damaged except the door that they broke through.
#  The house is at least two miles away from any neighbors and at least 30
# minutes + from a police station.  Can you please give me some ideas on
# what measures I can take to secure my area probperly?  I have one wooden
# door and two sliding glass doors (one now boarded up).  The house has
# both electricity and phone serivce, and I am only there on the weekends.
#  I have thought of motion sensors and little stickers to go in the
# windows, as this is not a professional theaf.  Also I would like some
# information on optimal defensive shells for a 3" 12 Gauge and a 9mm. Any
# information would be greatly appriciated!
#
#                 Thanks,
#                 Ben

#
My guess is that you need; 1) an alarm system that fights back - try
www.stopsburglars.com, and 2) a system to notify YOU immediately if
someone tries to break in - contact me offline on that one.
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Bterr   Feb 5 1999, 12:00 am     guns b...@aol.com (Bterr) - 1999/02/05 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns69fdc082ec0a004e" Individual Message Show original Installing a  professional security system and an evaluation by security
service like ADT or another firm should help "harden" your home.   So can
cutting brush around the house and installing motion sensing lights.  Also, if
you have neighbors who can look in on a daily basis that could be helpful also,
especially if they can rotate the timing on your interior lights.  As for ammo,
3" shells have too much il for defensive use.  23/4" ammo is preferable.
Federal's "Tactical" buckshot and slugs are the choice of many law enforcement
agencies.  In 9mm. , the Rem. 115gr +P JHP works well in many guns.
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Plus P Inc   Feb 5 1999, 12:00 am     guns plusp...@aol.com (Plus P Inc) - 1999/02/05 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns32bf60ae0bac5a58" Individual Message Show original suggest a tour of our web page at
www.plusp.com
Such things are frequently kids and you don' want to shoot a kid over some beer
etc.
Urge you to use motion detection lights.  Another is to install an alarm system
and many you can buy at places like radio shack use cell phone system to call
you that it went off.
If you have phone lines there you can get a nice system cheap that will also
call you or police.
Also post plenty of proper signs and keep cops advised as to what is going on.
You can be sure your bad guy lives close to it.
big problem with jerks like this is fire.  that I fear more then the theft.
Plusp...@aol.com
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Daniel McCoole   Feb 5 1999, 12:00 am     guns Daniel McCoole <mcco...@ctronera.com> - 1999/02/05 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns4bb962c2c0818bec" Individual Message Show original Benjamin Sullivan wrote:

#  
The house has
# both electricity and phone serivce, and I am only there on the weekends.
#  I have thought of motion sensors and little stickers to go in the
# windows, as this is not a professional theaf

.  
For starters, Radio Shack makes little infared/motion sensor devices
that you can mount on your interior walls.  You can also hook that
up to a phone device that will automatically call a phone number
when activated.  You can also put up "fake" security cameras, or
get the real thing for not that much money.  There are electronic
mail order companies out there that have good prices to.  I sent
away for one magazine a few months ago and they had tons of
stuff to choose from, sorry the mag is at home.
I'm in the process of building a camp out in the sticks and
am concerned about this as well, especially since we've already
had some lumber taken.
Good Luck,
-Dan
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Michael Justice   Feb 6 1999, 12:00 am     guns Michael Justice <libe...@eskimo.com> - 1999/02/06 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print gunsf1832837fd5ea6b4" Individual Message Show original - -Matt Moore wrote:
#Benjamin Sullivan wrote in message <79dc6e$jk...@xring.cs.umd.edu >...
##I have a home out in the countryside that was just broken
 into over the
##weekend.  I think it was a teen because they stole my telescope and
##beer.  Nothing else was damaged except the door that they broke through.
## The house is at least two miles away from any neighbors and at least 30
##minutes + from a police station.  Can you please give me some ideas on
##what measures I can take to secure my area probperly?  I have one wooden
##door and two sliding glass doors (one now boarded up).  The house has
##both electricity and phone serivce, and I am only there on the weekends.
## I have thought of motion sensors and little stickers to go in the
##windows, as this is not a professional theaf.  Also I would like some
##information on optimal defensive shells for a 3" 12 Gauge and a 9mm. Any
##information would be greatly appriciated
!
#
#You definitely want to "target-harden" your house. That means, better
#barriers and a good, loud alarm system to give you time to wake up and get
#ready if the bad guy(s) come back while you are there. Replace those sliding
#glass doors with heavy wooden ones, or cover them with metal grillwork that
#you can lock at night. Plus, a monitored, silent alarm system so that there
#is some chance of them being caught if they come back when you aren't there

.
You may want to set up a "hardened" room as well, that you can stay in if
someone has broken in at night, and that you can leave your good-quality
possessions in during the day.  If your main bedroom is large, that's a
good bet.  Then add a lockable steel door in a steel frame, bars on the
windows (of the sort that you can UNLOCK AND REMOVE if you need to get out
in the event of a fire -- don't trap yourself!!!), and possibly some steel
or polycarbonate in vulnerable areas on the walls -- my uncle's house was
"broken into" by some assholes with a chainsaw, who made their own entry
hole instead of kicking in a door.
I would also like to suggest a videocamera/VCR setup.  It sounds like the
house is far enough off the beaten track that there should only be one or
two good ways up to it by car -- also far enough that a criminal wouldn't
want to bother walking to it.  Getting camera coverage of the driveway may
get you their license plate numbers if they come back, possibly even some
usable pictures of their faces.
You should have the VCR in a "hardened" location, so that they cannot simply
steal it along with the videocamera.  You might need to hook it up to some
sort of sensor on the road/driveway, if you are home infrequently.
If you're in western Washington, I can give you the name of a dealer to avoid,
and at least save you some of the hassle.
                        -- Michael.
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Nick Hull   Feb 7 1999, 12:00 am     guns n...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull) - 1999/02/07 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print guns8ffb4d3bc5b785c4" Individual Message Show original <79hol8$6v...@xring.cs.umd.edu >, Michael Justice
<libe...@eskimo.com> wrote:

........
#
I would also like to suggest a videocamera/VCR setup.  It sounds like the
# house is far enough off the beaten track that there should only be one or
# two good ways up to it by car -- also far enough that a criminal wouldn't
# want to bother walking to it.  Getting camera coverage of the driveway may
# get you their license plate numbers if they come back, possibly even some
# usable pictures of their faces

.
#
A locked gate is a major deterrant, especially if the gate is some
diatance from the house.  Ist they would be breaking & entering before
they got to the house, or would have to haul loot & tools some distance if
they chose not to break the gate. 2nd it gives you an opportunity to
photograph them at the gate and time to come to the aid of your house
BEFORE they have broken in.  The longer time they spend at the crime site
the greater chance of being apprehended.
It would also help if you used a timer to ascertain the time of day & day
of week when the crimes occur, it would establish a pattern of great use
to you.
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GlockNLock   Feb 9 1999, 12:00 am     guns "GlockNLock" <Robbi...@ibm.net> - 1999/02/09 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print gunscd62e45f25f380db" Individual Message Show original How about an fenced outside perimeter of attack dogs, a minefield, and two
guard towers with M60s and TOW missiles?
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Bill Marcy   Feb 9 1999, 12:00 am     guns wpma...@nycap.rr.com (Bill Marcy) - 1999/02/09 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures? Reply to Author Forward Print gunsdc301621e2341ec0" Individual Message Show original On 9 Feb 1999 01:55:16 -0500, "GlockNLock" <Robbi...@ibm.net> wrote:
#
How about an fenced outside perimeter of attack dogs, a minefield, and two
#guard towers with M60s and TOW missiles

?
Yeah, sure, try to get the permit to put up a chainlink fence, that
can be hard!
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jf   Feb 11 1999, 12:00 am     guns j...@avana.net - 1999/02/11 Subject: Re: Home Security Measures?/ShatterGard Reply to Author Forward Print guns6b9e48d67249c753" Individual Message Show original Check into Shattergard www.shattergard.com
<79dc6e$jk...@xring.cs.umd.edu >,
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